Shock the Devil: Slow down. Feel the pain. Ask: Is it necessary? Never think of yourself. You want to be good. How have you been helped? 

Church with Jesse Lee Peterson, Sunday, October 19, 2025 

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TIMESTAMPS 

(0:00:00) – 01 – Small talk about working out on legs / Welcome 

(0:03:06) – 02 – Unjustified persecution? Your pain is your fault. Slow down. 

(0:20:09) – 03 – Shock the Devil: Slow down. Don’t do “what if…” 

(0:25:16) – 04 – “Introvert” comes on-stage: Hiding in the dark, moody 

(0:39:23) – 05 – Advice for an average white man: Stop thinking. “Uncomfortable” 

(0:44:34) – 06 – Biblical Question: Being good or doing good?  

(0:53:16) – 07 – BQ: Jesus and being vs doing good 

(1:12:50) – 08 – BQ: Q’s about the Holy Spirit and following Jesus 

(1:27:09) – 09 – Women’s Forum Assignments: Slow down. Pain: Is it necessary? 

(1:36:12) – 10 – How have you been helped? More… Defending the Faith 

(1:45:53) – 11 – JLP on BQ: You want to be good. Can’t do good if evil! God in you… 

(1:56:30) – 12 – JLP: It will get worse. Assignment: Let it pass through you.

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CHURCH NOTES 10/19/25 

Great Women’s Forum this past Thursday! 

📖 Biblical Question: Which do you prefer: being good or doing good?  

📝 Prior Assignment: Never think about yourself again. (For one week — month for the Women’s Forum) 

📝 Women’s Forum Assignment: Slow down. When you feel pain, ask: Is it necessary? (For the Women’s Forum — mentioned on the radio show Friday…) 

📝 NEW Assignment: Let it pass through. Whatever you feel and think, let it pass — let it pass through you.

01 – Small talk about working out on legs / Welcome 

(0:00:00) JLP talks with people off-mic about working out (on legs, specifically) (0:02:05) Welcome 

(0:02:28) Any questions? Anybody have a life? 

(0:02:37) Young man, are you working on yourself? 

02 – Unjustified persecution? Your pain is your fault. Slow down. 

(0:03:06) JLP: Working on yourself is not easy — something to that effect! 

(0:03:47) Colin: Unjustified persecution, yet I’m not working on myself completely. Is that part of the spiritual process? 

(0:05:24) It’s not happening to him, says Dolores (sp?) … Colin: Lawsuits, etc. (0:06:24) I’m pretty calm. Inwardly, some fear. 

(0:07:00) JLP: They love the thrill of trying to hurt you. … It’s abnormal to feel pain: If you feel the pain, something’s wrong with you. (0:08:15) Pain means: Fear, anger, resentment, sadness, loneliness, depression, revenge, any psychological-emotional pain you feel, it means something’s wrong with you. … If it wasn’t in you, you wouldn’t be feeling it. 

(0:10:07) (Here’s a seat right here!) Dolores continues… Not letting go of the spirit of anger: “Disappointing,” why? “Merry-go-round… dizzy…” 

(0:12:20) Colin dressed like her today. Won’t go away because she’s not slowing down — what do you say? Nothing? Live in the pain without slowing down? 

(0:14:16) I said to someone: “I just need to shut up.” It doesn’t happen all the time, just four or five times a week. That’s the whole week! Why do you need to respond? Part of the assignment was to slow down (from the Women’s Forum). 

(0:17:01) Do the assignment: Ask, is it necessary? 

(0:17:45) JLP: Told the ladies: When you feel that pain, ask: Is it necessary? 

(0:19:06) Colin: “I dunno.” Hard to digest everything she said. Mind was in-and-out. 

03 – Shock the Devil: Slow down. Don’t do “what if.” 

(0:20:09) JLP: Shock the Devil, by just slowing down. Take a breath. He will not like it, but you will have authority over him. 

(0:22:16) JLP: Hake’s debate, a guy said, what would you do if this happened? 

(0:24:12) Don’t do “what if”! But if it’s a girl you’re beta! Putin girl first? Third on the list of the Dream Team! 

04 – “Introvert” on-stage: Hiding in the dark, moody. Do you create thoughts? 

(0:25:16) What’s on your mind right now? What are you thinking? I can relate, says the young man. (0:26:06) Wanna come up here and talk? Not really — I like to be more in the background. Why? Personality to hide out? “Introvert.” 

Man blurts out: It means he’s shy. (0:26:50) Don’t speak for him mama! … The man continues: How I’ve always been. Do you wanna be that way? My comfort zone. Like hiding in the dark? Sometimes. Depends on my mood, switches — how’s your mood right now? Light-and-dark. Moody, having different moods: Like it? No. Cumbersome. Why not overcome it? 

(0:28:55) Numb to life. 36. Always trying to improve? 

(0:30:31) He’s on-stage being judged… three things… 

(0:32:40) JLP: You’re looking really bad rn… 

(0:33:16) Mimi thinks his three ways to creating a thought… JLP: Who are you? Mimi: Your thoughts are not your own, they don’t come from you. There is no thinking in the real you. 

(0:34:49) Colin: Consciousness, desire to think, narcissistic desire to have your own thoughts… 

(0:36:10) Shouldn’t be attached to thoughts? 

(0:37:13) Who are you? Awareness, spirit, soul, consciousness: Where do you get that from? Studying. How has that helped you to believe that? (0:38:26) Colin: “Our” thoughts — the “me” makes them feel important to us. (0:38:56) Who are you? Govt SSN. Just a regular guy trying to make it through life. 

05 – Advice for an average white man: Stop thinking. Die from ‘uncomfortable’ evil 

(0:39:23) JLP: You’re not average, you’re white! (funny, joking!) White people are not average! Are you better than the blacks? No? JLP: I’m playin’! 

(0:40:01) JLP: Stop thinking. What would happen? Do it and see. Never think about you again. Man: Sounds like a tall order. Why do you think about you? 

(0:42:11) You’re doing a poor job of thinking about you. Gonna do it? “Yes.” Starting now. 

(0:43:19) It was uncomfortable, in what way? That’s not you feeling that way. That’s what you have to die from. 

06 – Biblical Question: Being good or doing good?  

(0:44:34) Did you do the Biblical Question? Doug? Excuses! (0:45:11) Colin “crazy” week (0:45:53) Alexis thought about it. I think I’d rather be good. (0:46:56) Wanna come up here? “She a better man than you! No, I’m playing.” 

(0:47:17) Norwegian gal didn’t understand it. Make it clear. 

(0:47:53) More answers…. (0:48:41) Black guy doesn’t wanna be or do, so he’d rather be good. 

(0:49:58) Vanessa: Doing good. (0:51:48) A man next to her answers Mimi’s question(s). (0:52:27) Doug agreed, but doesn’t believe you can do either one. 

07 – BQ: Jesus and being vs doing good 

(0:53:16) Man: Jesus saved us from the ideal of doing good, and changed it to be good. He’d prefer to be good. Why? Faith makes your works. 

(0:54:16) Question? (0:55:47) Bad results. 

(0:56:19) Derrick: Doing good. (0:57:04) Satan tried to be good, it landed him in… Hell. 

(0:58:09) Only God is good: Impossible to be good? The man on Jesus: It’d be impossible to do good as well. “Hypotheticals, ideals.” Good works are misguided. 

(0:59:53) Derrick and the man in the hat disagree… (1:01:00) People unintentionally did really good things for me. 

(1:01:32) Nick: Just feeling good is the earthly reward. Being good, duh! 

(1:02:44) Father: Being good: You being evil know how to give good things to your children… how much more will your Father who is in Heaven? 

(1:04:45) Raymond: Being good. (1:05:11) Man in front reacts: Copy her answer. 

(1:05:50) Rochelle: Neither. Mimi… (1:07:08) Franky… Get biblical. Neither. 

(1:08:12) Korean guy: Agree no man is good. (1:08:34) Hake… 

(1:09:56) Salvation of the soul, not to help others, is the goal, says man. (1:10:12) Colin: Can’t be either. Prefers being good. Doing good is selfishly motivated in some way. 

(1:10:42) The blonde Norwegian(?) gal: Felt obvious to be good… But what does that really mean? 

(1:12:13) Did Judas do good by selling Jesus? Idk… I think it was. Why? It speeded the process. 

08 – BQ: Q’s about the Holy Spirit and following Jesus 

(1:12:50) Rochelle question… Derrick answers. (1:13:36) JLP: Holy Spirit is the Teacher (1:14:50) Father: God put eternity in our heart… Ecclesiastes 

(1:15:27) Franky feeling better than others, judging, picking sides 

(1:16:49) Southern gal gets frustrated 

(1:19:13) Man… Wanna come up here? 

(1:20:13) Dolores All my preferences are tied to my ego… 

(1:21:32) Vanessa: Jesus said, Follow me. (1:22:40) Derrick: Action in following, accepting, trusting in God. How do you accept it… 

(1:24:18) Norwegian gal… 

(1:25:15) Doing good. “A man is a task unto himself. Everything is in the doing.” 

(1:26:06) Hake on the “theoretical and hypothetical and ideal” 

09 – How have you been helped? Women’s Forum Assignment 

(1:27:09) Mimi, How have you been helped? Dolores, Mimi… (1:31:16) I feel the pain. Is it necessary? 

(1:31:39) JLP to Alexis: Assignment for the ladies: Slow down. 

(1:32:53) JLP to Alexis: I feel the pain. Is it necessary? 

(1:33:11) The Southern gal speaks (1:34:46) Describing her dream… 

10 – How have you been helped? More… Defending the Faith 

(1:36:12) How have you been helped? Realizing how weak I really am. Big ego, angry… Korean man in the hat… 

(1:36:49) A lady on how she’s been helped: Judging everyone. Realizing it’s not me, but thoughts. Stopped judging myself. (1:38:47) Everybody thinks I’m crazy, in a cult. My fault! (1:39:23) JLP: Jesus said, tell no one. 

(1:40:07) Colin: Way more peace. Don’t go with anger anymore. 

(1:40:45) Milk lady Vanessa: Slowing down and seeing fear and anger are the same… fueling the control and distrust 

(1:41:35) Have you been thinking about yourself since sitting there? The 36yo man who came on-stage. A little. What would happen if you stopped thinking about you? Hypothetical: I’d be care-free. (1:42:39) JLP: The world says think about yourself. God said stop. 

(1:42:54) Returning to my earthly father, says the Korean man. I hated my dad. My mom brainwashed me. 

(1:43:57) The Southern Gal: Before, I thought I was good. Grateful to see I’m evil. (1:44:43) JLP: She seem so petite, Southern, sweet. Shaking his head. 

(1:45:02) Another guy on defending your faith: Guard your heart. Everything you do flows from it. Mainstream Christians defend their religion. Guard your heart, and you’ll have your connection to the Father. 

11 – JLP on BQ: You want to be good. Can’t do good if evil! … Q’s 

(1:45:53) JLP: So you want to be good. Then you can do good. You can’t do good if you are evil! God will change your nature. 

(1:48:53) JLP: Once you are good, you will do good. We think we are doing good, feed the hungry… “help people”… get mad when they don’t appreciate it. 

(1:49:33) Disagree? Rochelle… (1:50:45) Doug work here, what a sad way to live! 

(1:51:04) Mimi: Would the women naturally follow, if men returned? JLP: No. The spirit in the man would make her go back. He would not cater to her. They’d love it, and start to work on themselves. No human being can make you right. 

(1:52:03) Colin: Yeah. Have to die to be good. Old nature. 

(1:52:32) Father: Seeing people fall away in your life? He talks about his kids… (1:56:00) JLP: Satan hates the light. Stay in the Light, and you’ll want nothing to do with darkness… 

12 – JLP: It will get worse. Assignment: Let it pass through you. 

(1:56:30) JLP: If you stay with this, it will get worse. So many going through the worst part, feeling afraid… It’s gonna get hard (1:57:44) but if you go through the hard part, it will get light. It will get easier. 

(1:58:49) Colin said he’s under attack: Do the practical things, but nothing about the feelings. 

(1:59:08) Assignment: Let it pass through. Whatever you feel and think, let it pass — let it pass through you. … You’ll see those attacks are not happening to you. It’s impossible for anyone to hurt you.  

(2:00:42) Man: The pain is the circling of thoughts in you. Jesse continues… It’s in you. Nothing is happening to you out there. Let them attack your ego. Do this consciously, by being aware you feel pain, afraid. (2:02:28) You don’t even have mercy on yourself! You get mad. Where’s the mercy in that? 

(2:02:48) Dolores repeats assignment. JLP: Feel the pain like you wanna scream! Franky in pain without the TV! Welcome the grief pain. Dolores: They’ll see you meltdown? JLP: Inwardly only — they won’t know it if you don’t act it out. 

(2:06:00) The father… the little boy Reel on YouTube: Comments were evil sometimes … The evil and pride in me to defend Jesse or Mimi… (2:07:28) JLP: There is nothing to fight for. Protect yourself physically  

(2:08:02) Donate … Stop fighting! 

REMINDERS / Assignments… 

1. 2025 theme/assignment: Practice being present. 
2. Let it pass through you, whatever you feel and think. (Church 10/19/25) 
3. Slow down. Feel the pain, and ask: Is it necessary? (Women’s Forum Oct 16, 2025) 
4. Never think about yourself again. (for 1 wk/mo, BQ/Women’s Forum Sep 18-21, 2025) 
5. Don’t overreact to your anger this weekend (JLP show Fri 8/29/25) 
6. Be nothing for three days. And on the third day, see if you rise. (Fri, July 25, 2025) 
7. Communicate with few words. (June 29, 2025, didn’t mention) 
8. Don’t agree or disagree with anyone. And see what happens. (June 2025) 
9. Quietly live with the hell in you (May/June 2025) 
10. Write down all the stabs you get (May 11-18, 2025) 
11. Be a single-minded person, not a double-minded person. (BQ/Women’s Forum Apr 13-27, 2025) 
12. Don’t judge with words, looks/eyes, gestures, emotions, or thoughts. (Oct 2024) 

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